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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:01 pm

It's been quite awhile since I've been around. Hopefully some of you remember me [smilie=smile.gif]

I think my 180 crashed at the beginning of 2007, and the thread on the topic is gone, so I'll recreate the situation as best I can remember and post pics in the next couple of days.

My tank was up and doing wonderfully when the pump feeding my skimmer exposed its core to the water column. This caused my red flatworm population to die off and release their toxin which was the beginning of a chain reaction that took out all sps, lps, clams, and most of my softies. My house smelled like dead ocean for two weeks. I tried restocking a couple months later, but it was too early and everything I added died. I never seriously tried to revitalize the tank because I had started my own business, had a son, and no money or time for it. Of course, my toadstools, xenia, palythoa, mejanos and mushrooms survived in this nutrient rich condition and spread until they had taken over the entire tank like the plague. I gave them to my favorite local coral farm and was left with FOWLR for the last couple of months before the breakdown. I took it down in June of this year in order to stage our house to sell. All fish went to my favorite LFS to hold onto for me. In the process, my male clown (part of an 11-12 yr old pair), potters angel, and orchid dottyback died. The tank went on a dolly in storage, the LR was allowed to dry out in tubs in order to kill all of my softies and pests that remained, and the sand is in buckets, semi-dry. All of it needs to be cleaned prior to reassembly.

We moved into our new house a month ago and I'm just now starting to consider setting it back up. I'm shopping for a chiller because I don't want the humidity that we lived with in the old house. I'll try to enclose the top a bit to avoid having 12 sq ft of evaporative area. I'm also going to replace the pump on my custom TriggerSys skimmer with a Bubble Blaster and not use it as a recirculating system.

Has anyone used diluted muriatic acid to clean equipment?

Has anyone tried a setup where the chiller was outside? (protected)

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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:07 pm

I would do 15:1 water to acid ratio. I will try to find a YouTube video of a guy in Austin but his chiller is outside


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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby Wes on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:14 pm

very cool, welcome back! looking forward to see it up and running...is this the thread? viewtopic.php?f=100&t=11127
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:21 pm

here is the video of a reefer in austin where all his eqpt is outside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMbZgJuxKAE
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby bimmerzs on Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:57 pm

I love that tank's dim's.....exactly what I want.

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby washingtond on Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:00 am

Welcome back Tony and looking forward to seeing your progress.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby blide on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:07 am

Welcome back! [smilie=hi.gif]

IMO, vinegar would be fine for cleaning equipment. Then to get the rock clean I recommend HCL (which is basically pre-muratic acid). It's what I used to clean my rock.

Here's my build thread (Page 2 is the rock):
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby Carabelli on Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:01 pm

Welcome back ... this was one of my favorite tanks and I can't wait to see the progress!
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:12 pm

Thanks Wes, that is part of my build log. I was trying to find my tank crash thread but I believe it's not here.
David, I'll have to come see your setup again sometime for inspiration
Nice setup Bill! I'd like to see it.

I'll probably decide against going through the brick of the house and just deal with whatever heat the chiller adds to the house. I haven't tried to get approval to put it on the front porch.
I'm debating a better leak containment system under it since it'll be sitting on much nicer wood floors, but that would delay the entire setup and require some acrylic gluing skills. I never had a problem with the old one, but it may have been luck.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby washingtond on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:34 pm

Tony you are welcome to come by and see our aquariums anytime.

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby Marc on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:44 pm

I know that David (the UPS guy) and Rick both had split chillers where the motor & compressor was outside and the chiller coil was inside near the tank.

Welcome back, buddy!

Muriatic acid and water is what I use as well. Not a big deal as long as you have a place to pour that out when done.
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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:50 pm

When you done with muriatic/water mixture just add baking soda when it stops bubbling you can throw it down the drain as the acid will be neutralized


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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby dahenley on Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:42 pm

if you want another opinion on running the chiller split between outside and inside, go to
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and look at the bottom for "carls 300g reef" it will explain how he did his. (its a cool idea, and very do-able. )
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:37 pm

A LONG time ago I bought a used chiller that was in need of a minor overhaul from Mitch. I never messed with it until today and I think I'm in luck. It turns out that it's a 1/4 HP, which is what I need. It is also cooling very nicely. Only a couple of problems. One, where the refrigerant line goes into the pvc coil shroud it is leaking a little. Silicone has been applied to the other one, so I'm hoping that a similar application will fix it. Second, the base is rusted like crazy and it has no cover. That part I think I can solve pretty easily in a day. The best part is that now I can take the money I was going to spend on the chiller and put it toward the Bubble Blaster I need to update the skimmer.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:12 am

The tank was setup for 6 years at my last house. My leak control was simply a sheet of tileboard from home depot under the stand. I siliconed where the stand met the board. It caught every minor leak and I was shocked to find the laminate wood under the tank to be good as new at the end of the breakdown. I can't decide between just doing the same thing again, or setting the steel stand on a sheet of acrylic and gluing acrylic 6-8" up the sides to create more of a waterproof tub. The real wood floor in the new house needs all the protection it can get, but I'm not sure if it's overkill, or I'm just lucky, or...

Anyone else do anything to catch leaks other than the carpet?
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:16 am

i have a steel stand with acrlic drip pan it has 4" sides i also put a leakfrog in there so if it start to fill up it will sound an alarm
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Thanks for the vid! Thank tank is just like mine but on steroids

dahenley wrote:if you want another opinion on running the chiller split between outside and inside, go to
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:31 pm

Any thoughts on whether a Nano Wavebox would work on my tank since it is only 4' long even though it is 180g? What happens if it is undersized?
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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:03 pm

I have a 48" x 30" x 24" tank I am able to get a nice size wave how thick is your glass. Nano Wave box only goes up to .5"

If I had to buy it over again I would buy a full size as up top I get 1" wave but way on the bottom first seem to get a good undertow as when I had a big wave box on my big tank


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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:35 am

The glass is 3/4". I guess I'll have to stick with my streams until I can afford one
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Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:38 am

tesfeld wrote:The glass is 3/4". I guess I'll have to stick with my streams until I can afford one

You will need to get the big wavebox then. As 3/4" glass is too thick for the magnets on the nano wavebox


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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:51 am

I am working on buying a wavebox from a guy. Is there any way to find out if it works without it being in water?

Correction, sold them out from under me. Lovely. For future reference I'd still like to know how to test them.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:21 am

Not really you need it to be in water to test it. Perferably you want the newer power supply not the old doughnut style.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:43 pm

Ok, now I just can't decide. I want to improve the water movement in my tank and would like some opinions on what you would do. I currently own two Tunze
Stream 6060's and had one on each side of my peninsula tank pointed at the front. My return pump is a mag12 that is split into two returns that I had pointed at the sides of the tank and whose output interrupted the flow coming out of the streams for diversity. It just didn't get things moving around much.

Wavebox?

Ecotech MP-40 in the middle of my overflow?

Plumb the returns to the opposite end of the tank as the overflow?

Spend my money, what would you do?
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby blide on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:14 pm

IMO, I wouldn't worry about flow until you figure out your rock work and what type of coral you plan on keeping. Then you can determine where to place the pumps and how much flow you can handle.

With my soft corals I just have my return pump and one 6105 Tunze stream on a controller. My goal was to have open space and use fewer pumps.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:16 pm

tesfeld wrote:Ok, now I just can't decide. I want to improve the water movement in my tank and would like some opinions on what you would do. I currently own two Tunze
Stream 6060's and had one on each side of my peninsula tank pointed at the front. My return pump is a mag12 that is split into two returns that I had pointed at the sides of the tank and whose output interrupted the flow coming out of the streams for diversity. It just didn't get things moving around much.

Wavebox?

Ecotech MP-40 in the middle of my overflow?

Plumb the returns to the opposite end of the tank as the overflow?

Spend my money, what would you do?


i really like the seaswirls. if i had to do it over again i would add two seaswirls and couple power heads and no wavebox
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby blide on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:20 pm

Tony,

Here's a pic of your previous setup:

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:53 pm

This is the other perspective
I'll probably have the same softie/lps/sps mix as last time, but far less softie

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby kuyatwo on Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:02 pm

has the tank been empty and dry the whole time. If so might try to fill it up to see if the silicone seals are still good

if you need to get new lighting might look into leds that way you won't need to get a chiller and evaporation will be lower
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:27 pm

It's been empty for 2 months in my garage. I can spend a little on flow or skimming improvements, but the conversion to LED's would be too steep right now. Hoping to add a controller too.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:38 pm

Ordered an Apex controller, I/O breakout box, and 2 outlet box tonight. Triggersys is going to be providing my leak catcher and new skimmer. Always great stuff. Tomorrow I'll post pictures of the tank as it sits as my "before" picture. I found out that my regal tank died at the LFS within the last week or two, so that has lit a fire under me to save the 11-12 yr old female percula and purple tang that I have left there. Stay tuned!
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:41 am

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I know it's not ideal to have it on its side, but thankfully this tank is way overbuilt. Starting the cleanup next week.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:08 pm

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:39 pm

Things have progressed nicely. Sorry for the lack of detail as I know that is the exciting part.

5 guys got it into the house and into its finally spot on top of a TriggerSys drip pan.

I mixed muriatic acid and water in a tub to clean every pump and part in the system. That stuff is fantastic!
Put the old sand back in the tank and spread it out.

This weekend:
Cut the foam for the sumps to sit on
Plumbed the sumps together with new bulkhead gaskets
Plumbed the return
Installed a new electrical bar that runs the length of the tank underneath
Re-assembled and installed my GEO Ca reactor
Installed TriggerSysTitan skimmer
Mounted Apex controller, EB8 bar, and temp probe

Tonight:
Aquascaping the rock

I'll fill it with water early next week and kick things off.

I'm debating whether to buy an Apex I/O panel or build one myself that's a little cleaner. Also debating whether to buy a heater or see if I can get by until next winter.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:45 pm

Forgot to mention. Over the last couple of weeks I was running water and CO2 tubing through the attic from the wet-bar to the tank. I'll have a homebrew kegerator installed there someday and it will share CO2 with the tank. So, the CO2 will go there now. I also ran Cat5 to the tank so I don't have to mess with wi-fi. Getting them down the exterior insulated wall with a horizontal fire-breaking 2x4 was a treat. I have a little plaster patching to do.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby pjracer on Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:53 pm

Hey Tony, Im new here but i seen a cool idea. In that first picture was hafe your sump / fuge a area for xenia. That looked cool. Do you have any more pictures of that.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby F1SH on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:16 pm

Hi Tony and good to see you are setting your tank back up. Your tank was always one of my favorites.

I shut my tank down after my move as well in 2009 and am just now starting one back up. I'll be tagging along this thread for good ideas.

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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:58 am

Hey Eric! Glad to see you're still around. I thought about you the other day since my drive to work now goes through the area you live in. Let me know if you need any help.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:28 am

pjracer, that's the only picture I have. It was eventually taken over by fuge algae and I let the whole thing serve as a fuge and sold the xenia.
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Re: Resurrecting my 180g

Postby tesfeld on Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:16 pm

Some pictures of the rock work. I was going for the same as it used to be but with more caverns inside. My inspiration is the reef fingers in Belize and the desire the make the most out of a 3 sided tank.
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