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How to "cook" live rock

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:13 pm
by Marc
Larry got this off of reef central on how to cook LR....

Dave,
Sure thing.
But before I do I just want to say that Bomber instructed me how to do it several months ago and it works great. So it is his process that I am trying to make popular and cause fellow hobbyists a lot less heartache in the long term.
The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have tha bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.

The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.

The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.

So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.

Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."

Here are the steps, if you have any questions I will try my best to answer them. What I don't know I am sure Bomber can/will instruct.

1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turnsq brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish.
9. Cover the tub. Remember, we want total darkness.
10. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
11. Wait.
12. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again unti the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detrius is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.

How it works:


Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been extablished. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.

Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.




I hope this helps you out.
It really is a "miracle" and a low cost one at that.
The only monies spent are for salt and electricity for the powerheads which are nominal. Especially to rid yourself of Bryopsis.
Time and effort is all it akes. And really not that much effort.
I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on andy rocks in the tubs now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.

And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, receed etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Everytime I do a waterchange they are there and plentiful.

If you have any questions please ask.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:10 pm
by salty_75
I like this idea and most likely will try it the next time I change tanks. But is seems unpracticle if you already have your tank going and you have corals. By now I have some type of coral on almost every rock on the top layer and none of them would survive this process.

Any recommendations/ideas on this topic?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:18 pm
by larrycivic
this was posted in how to go BB over on reef central....they recomened that you brake the coral off of the rock....http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=650985

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:07 pm
by Cindy
If cooper has been dosed in a system will this help to get rid of the cooper?

Cindy

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:11 pm
by Marc
No, it will take eons to leach that back out of the rock. Have you tested for copper to see if there is any in the water that this rock is in?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:20 pm
by Cindy
Not yet, I plan on buying one to check it out now that you mentioned it. Thanks!
I don't know that I'll be able to find the gal to get the info.

Cindy

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:10 pm
by ss95003
is heat back in this process?

I have the tub set up in my office at home right now, and it stinks in here. Will the heat from the garage hurt this process?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:49 pm
by RedComet89
No, the heat might actually speed up the process since bacteria thrives in heat.

Good Luck

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:47 pm
by ss95003
good because it was going in the garage regaurdless....that stuff stinks!!!!

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:27 am
by Ashlar
If you have any cool hitchikers, they won't survive the texas heat, if it gets really hot.. but the bacteria should.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:26 am
by larrycivic
i have cooked all my rock in seperate occasions since Dec. things i have noticed are that on rocks with real pretty purple coraline algae that id bleached to white. but as soon as it got back in my tank it purpled up. i had some hitchiker corals do well, and some that did not. i had a rock full of GSP and they melted alittle, but in all i have had zoos and other GSP make it all they way through the cooking process with no light, and when they got light they opened back up. some did lose color, but they are coloring up nice now.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:29 am
by JSB
I think I'm going to try this. I've had my tank setup for 2.5 years or so. I've recently developed this hair algea issue that keeps growing. My water changes are regular. I use RO/DI, although I started the tank with tap (again over two years ago). It was a fight with algea in the beginning but it eventually went away. Now I have this. I've used that stop algea stuff. I've bought cleaners, a tuxedo, and mowed it all down in a separate tank to encourage the algea eaters to eat the stuff, but nothing is working 100%. Oh I've tried the Phosphate reducers as well.

I've bought a new tank, and I plan on setting it up this summer, but I'm not moving the rock until this algea issue is cleaned up. Hopefully, this cooking process will do the trick.